Murder and Mimosas Podcast
A true crime podcast with a focus on lesser known crimes and the background of those who commit these heinous acts. Each case is told with a bit of southern sass, but with tons of in depth research and respect for those lost. Join this mom and daughter duo as they sip their mimosas while diving into tragic cases. New episodes every Saturday, just in time for brunch (and a mimosa of your own)!
Murder and Mimosas Podcast
When Mimosas Meet Madness: A True Crime Killer's Love Story
Engage with a gripping true crime narrative as we delve into the chaotic life of Taylor Schabusiness, a woman whose path led her to commit unspeakable acts of violence. With a turbulent background, marked by personal loss and mental health struggles, Taylor's story raises poignant questions about the nature of accountability in the context of untreated mental illness. We explore the haunting events surrounding the murder of Shad Thyrion, revealing the chilling details of how a night of passion spiraled into horror. Through a thorough investigation, we uncover the complexities surrounding Taylor's motivations and the ensuing legal proceedings that captivated a community struggling to reconcile grief and forgiveness.
By sharing insights into family dynamics, witness statements, and the courtroom drama, we highlight a conversation on mental health awareness, addiction, and justice. Tune in for a powerful episode that will leave you reflecting on the intricate interplays between tragedy, crime, and the human experience. Join us on this journey and engage with the discussion about forgiveness and its limits in the shadow of violence. Don’t forget to subscribe, share your thoughts, and leave a review to support our exploration of these vital issues.
Sources:
https://www.courttv.com/news/court-documents-reveal-taylor-schabusiness-past/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xofnwgeulB8
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21299905-taylor-denise-schabusiness-criminal-complaint/
https://nypost.com/2023/09/26/taylor-schabusiness-gets-life-without-parole-for-shad-thyrions-death/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/convicted-murderer-taylor-schabusiness-charged-213302017.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shad_Thyrion
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DarkCast Network. Welcome to the dark side of podcasting. Welcome to Murder and Mimosas a true crime podcast brought to you by a mother and daughter duo.
Speaker 2:Bringing you murder stories with a mimosa in hand. With a mimosa in hand, murder Mimosas is a true crime podcast, meaning we talk about adult matters such as murder, sexual assaults and other horrendous crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We do tell our stories with the victims and the victims' families in mind. However, some information is more verifiable than others. However, you can find all of our information linked in the show notes. Welcome back to Murder and Mimosas. I'm Danica and I'm Shannon. Hoo-hoo, do I have a wild episode today? So do you remember Nicole D Phoenix, who we interviewed about the Happy Face Killer book?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:She recommended this case and she said that it was crazy. But I'm just going to tell you like the whole case is insane from beginning to end. So let's get down to business, because today we are going to talk about Taylor Denise Shabizmus.
Speaker 1:Not to say you don't know your business, but did you say her last name correctly? Oh, I did Her last name is Shabizness. Okay, that just makes me laugh already.
Speaker 2:But that is the only funny thing in this whole case, because the rest crazy, gnarly stuff. So we're going to start by talking about her background before we get into the just horrific parts of this case. So Taylor was born in Evanston, illinois, on November 23rd 1997. And her parents raised her there until about the time that she was in the fourth grade. There, until about the time that she was in the fourth grade.
Speaker 2:And I know that she has a brother named AJ, but it's really immaterial to all of this. I couldn't figure out if he was older or younger, but I didn't search real hard because it really had nothing to do with us. But she, there's two of them, her and her brother and when they moved when she was in fourth grade, they all moved to Wisconsin and Taylor would end up staying there until her senior year. Now, in seventh grade, taylor ended up receiving some mental health treatment due to some behavioral issues she was showing at school, as well as some just some issues with like concentration as well, and she was given a diagnosis of adhd, or add was kind of like, used interchangeably in different forms, right? So, um, she's diagnosed with that, but also not long like a few years before that, her mom had died pretty unexpectedly in 2009, may 20 of 2009, because of cirrhosis to the liver due to alcoholism.
Speaker 1:Wow, that could definitely cause some behavior issues too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean you're going through that, like you know, adolescent phase and going into a teenager and you don't have your mom, Like that's hard. And then if you have ADHD or ADD on top of it, like I can see why she's having some issues at school. And so she was prescribed mood stabilizers, antidepressant and an antipsychotic, which she stayed on until she turned 18.
Speaker 1:So why'd she stop taking it at 18? Well, according to court, documents.
Speaker 2:Taylor made the decision herself to wean herself from the medications. However, why she made that decision is unknown. I mean some people because they feel better on medication, feel like they don't need to take it anymore. So I don't know if it was something like that. I know later her dad would say that she didn't like the way the medication made her feel, so that might have been part of it too.
Speaker 2:Now when she, you know, takes herself off the medication, she's 18. And so like that's the end of 2017, like beginning of 2018. But let's rewind just a little bit. We're going to go back to Taylor's senior year, because she actually got in a fight with another student her senior year and that led her to being expelled from her school in Wisconsin, and her father decides to send her to live with his parents in Texas where she completed out her senior year, where she completed out her senior year and you know from when she weans herself off like the end of 2017, beginning of 2018, like 2018, 2019, there's really nothing that like shows up. I don't find anything like crazy going on.
Speaker 1:However, 2020 seems to kick off many bizarre happenings that just are strange wild well, 2020 was crazy for all of us, so I suppose I'm ready to hear this though yes.
Speaker 2:So we're going to start by talking about 2020, when taylor had a criminal complaint filed against her for battery on law enforcement officer and resisting arrest. Bam out the gate. Not a great look. However, the events surrounding these charges are pretty bizarre.
Speaker 2:So a call comes in about a woman walking around knocking on doors, and many people who she encountered doing this suspected she was under the influence of drugs alcohol were both. So they're calling the police because in 2020, you don't want anybody at your door, much less a stranger, much less an intoxicated stranger. So police arrived on the scene and when they do, they find taylor is just walking down the middle of the street. So they stop her and they ask her what's going on, and she said quote, not sure, was on a different planet, end quote. You know, very strange thing to say to a person, right? She then followed that up by telling them that she had just quote, shot up, end quote. And then revealed the track marks on her arm, which would probably clear up the previous statement she just made would probably clear up the previous statement she just made.
Speaker 1:Okay, so after weaning herself off pills after high school, she might have started self-medicating with street drugs. Is that what she's doing?
Speaker 2:It's very possible. During the conversation with the police, taylor attempted to walk into incoming traffic and, of course, you know the police's job is like protect and serve. In order to protect her, a police officer tries to stop her from getting turned into a you know pancake on the road. However, when he attempted to stop her, she began to kick the officer. Um, and that would be why she ended up with that you know criminal complaint of battery against a law enforcement officer and then the you know resisting arrest. So they ended up do arrest, you know arresting her, and I'm gonna fast forward a little bit um, about a year into mid 2021. Um, in the middle of 2021, she made two different suicide attempts in April and then one in May. She ended up being hospitalized because of that and was diagnosed at that time with PTSD and bipolar, in conjunction with the ADD and the depression that she had previously been diagnosed with. So we got like a whole you know cocktail of diagnoses.
Speaker 1:So at that time did they prescribe her any medications or refer her to any type of therapy or hospitalization?
Speaker 2:So, according to her father, yes to the medication. However, again, this is where he talks about that his daughter did not like taking the medication. She didn't like the way it made her feel. What we do know is that Taylor has, you know, this concoction of mental health issues and a problem with meth, which is just not a good combination.
Speaker 1:Which is just not a good combination Along with the grief from the death of her mother and no medication sounds like a recipe for disaster, plus like we've done a lot of cases about schizophrenia and people not wanting to take their medicine. I actually have talked to a lot of people that are bipolar also that don't want to take their medicine, but she's got a whole, a whole slew, yeah a whole thing of stuff going on, yeah and you know, with that many things, it could be possible that that's a lot of side effects on your body, a lot of chemicals in your body.
Speaker 2:I don't know how those would make you feel. I know like, personally, anxiety and depression medicine. It took me a while to find the one that worked for me, and I didn't have multiple other medications like possibly working against it. So it may not have been great for her because maybe she hadn't found the right one or the right combination. However, I don't think anyone expected just how disastrous this whole combination of things going on would be. Now, before we get into the crime that occurred, there's two more things that I want to mention. One is that Taylor had a son in 2021 that, from what I could find, pretty much immediately went to live with her grandparents in Texas, and her grandmother there was in the process of adopting the boy. So it's very possible, on top of all of this, she could have postpartum depression.
Speaker 1:Right, but this would also be like his great grandparents now right. I mean good Lord, I can't even imagine that.
Speaker 2:And then Taylor was married to Warren Shabizness. That's not her maiden name. Shabizness came from a marriage. She willingly took the name Shabizness.
Speaker 1:It is kind of fun to say, I know.
Speaker 2:But he was incarcerated and so you know she's got this brand new baby. He goes to live with other family because she probably doesn't feel like she can handle taking care of him. Her husband's locked up um for her to be as young as she was in life.
Speaker 2:She had a whole lot going on, yeah, she did and while her husband was locked up, she found a man that she began a sexual relationship with, named shad therion. So, my favorite thing, let me set the scene. It's february 21st 2022. Taylor showed up around 9 30 pm to shad's mother's home to pick him up because he still lived there. Um, and then she. They picked up a friend along the way and the trio went to an apartment where they smoked some weed, and Taylor and Shad smoked some meth and injected trazodone.
Speaker 1:Okay, what's trazodone?
Speaker 2:It's an antidepressant and a sedative, so I guess she was taking her medicine in a way, taking her medicine in a way. So after a bit, taylor and Shad went back to his mom's house because his mom and her boyfriend had, like, left the house. So, like the two of them, taylor and Shad have it to themselves and they go down to the basement and they start to have sex and the two begin engaging in erotic asphyxiation with metal chains, and if you don't know what erotic asphyxiation is, it's like choking during sex.
Speaker 1:Basically, so using metal chains on an area as sensitive as your neck seems extremely dangerous, and anytime I've heard of that, it's been with hands or rope, but I've never heard people do that with chains. Yeah, and I saw a picture.
Speaker 2:We'll post a picture of the chains.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about like these. These are like thick, like home depot thick chains.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean like like porch swing chains, yeah thick. So I don't know. I guess when you're on a lot of drugs you're willing to live on the edge um however, I don't think shad was like wanted to go quite as extreme as taylor. Um, I say that because taylor was the one doing the strangling and she strangled shad until he began to cough up blood. However, that didn't stop her. She continued to strangle him for multiple minutes after the fact, like after he's coughing up blood, until the point that he was dead.
Speaker 1:So what possessed her to do that?
Speaker 2:We will talk about that later, about what she says anyway, but first we should talk about what happened after Taylor killed Shad, because, I'm not going to lie, strangling someone with a metal chain because of erotic asphyxiation is probably the least crazy thing she does to shad that evening. Oh my gosh, after she strangled him to death, she positions his body, um, so that his head is hanging off of the bed over like this bucket and the storage tote where she proceeds to behead shad. And, to make matters worse, she has a quote that I found that said that she was cutting and sucking sexually oh so, like this was getting her off, like she's getting the beheaded.
Speaker 2:He's dead. She's sucking and then cutting and sucking. Very strange, still not the strangest thing. She then has sexual contact with his body. That was graphic and disturbing. In a letter she wrote that she rubbed her genitalia against his beheaded neck until climax oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Okay, I guess everybody has different things that turn them on.
Speaker 2:But um, and then once she was done, she decided to cuddle with his headless body okay, yeah yeah, after she felt she was done sexually abusing and then cuddling with him, she dumped the blood from the beheading because she caught it, all you know, in this tote and down the shower drain in the basement, um. But now you know she's cut the head off. She's still got a whole body to get rid of. So she starts to dismember him. She cuts his organs out and puts them in plastic bags, puts some body parts in some totes. She puts some body parts in a crock box, not a crock box.
Speaker 3:Box that it comes in no cannibalism that.
Speaker 1:I'm aware of this is truly horrendous, and I feel like she's going to blame this on the drugs, but this is beyond freaking sick. This is. This is I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what to say about this well, it's gonna continue to get crazy, so just strap your seat belt on, because we're not done yet too late.
Speaker 1:Two days later, shad's mother found her son's head in the basement two days it seems like you would notice a head in a bucket. I mean sometimes you can leave trash upstairs and I smell it.
Speaker 2:I mean like okay, well, it seems like the basement was like kind of his area, you know he's grown so, like you, just shut the door well. Also, even if she's like, open the door because he's obviously been like around for two days, the bucket is covered by a towel so she can't just see the bucket like it's covered. And when police arrived, they began to investigate and found that not only was his head in the bucket, but his penis was in the bucket as well.
Speaker 1:I'm just thinking it would smell, maybe not after two days, but I feel like sometimes the trash smells like after a day or two, like OK, okay, I'm just getting too much in my head.
Speaker 2:I think I don't I don't know, because I feel like the smell comes because the gases are bringing, but like at this point you've cut him open, like the gases aren't just kind of sitting inside of him like they would it was a full body. I don't know. I don't know either.
Speaker 1:I don't really know the science of decomposition, yeah, between decomp or dismembered and non-dismembered bodies like kept the head in a bucket to try to figure out when it smells, or anything yeah, but the police show up and they begin to investigate.
Speaker 2:Like I said, they found the head in the bucket, they found the penis in the bucket and they of course search the rest of the basement and they find more and more parts of Shad in different things. It is a very gruesome jigsaw puzzle. So in a tote they find his torso and one of his foot, and a foot, just one, I'm unsure if it's left or right, but a foot In a plastic bag they found like his organs, like his intestines and stuff. There's some body parts in a cardboard box that they find.
Speaker 1:I mean he's cut up and just kind of put wherever she could put them. It's so devastating for his mother to know her son was in pieces around the basement of her own home for two days. I mean, did they suspect Taylor at all?
Speaker 2:They did, actually, and pretty quickly, like tracked her down to the apartment that she'd been at a few days earlier with Shad and their friend, where they were smoking and, you know, doing meth and trazodone. And it didn't take long for the evidence against Taylor to start mounting. I mean, literally the moment police, like are face to face with her, the evidence is already mounting against her.
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Speaker 1:Like what? What kind of evidence?
Speaker 2:Well, when police arrived, taylor had blood on her clothes, so I guess she's been wearing the same clothes for two days. They see a cut on her thumb and there's scratches on her arms, and so, of course, the police ask her about the scratches on her arms and she says that they were self-inflicted. Because what is she going to say? She killed a man, cut him up and that's from this. However, when the police searched her gold town and country minivan, they found some pretty like damning evidence, like what? The murder weapon, more like parts of Shad oh gosh, including one of his legs, that were found in that crockpot box I told you about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she put that box in her van, oh my. And, as you can imagine, she was arrested and charged with multiple charges Murder, mutilation of a corpse and third-degree sexual assault.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of charges. I would assume, with all the evidence, that she would plead guilty. But that seems rational and nothing about her is rational. So what happened? Well, you'd be correct.
Speaker 2:She does not do the rational thing. And trust me when I say that this crazy train has not ended. Trust me when I say that this crazy train has not ended On September 1st 2022,.
Speaker 1:Taylor's attorney puts in a plea of guilt not guilty by reason of insanity, which I understand, but I don't think she is insane Just out of her mind on drugs or I don't know doing the whole insane things.
Speaker 2:Hard it is. It's very rare that that is, you know used and used effectively, that they get that now, while in court in green bay, wisconsin, taylor was brought in wearing handcuffs. At this time, even in cuffs, she ended up jumping. Her own attorney um, her attorney's name was Quinn Jolly. I'm sure at that moment he was far from Jolly. She hit him in the head with her elbow and then a sheriff officer that was, you know, in the court tackled Taylor to the ground, has to wrestle with her to like, keep her from getting out of his you know grasp. They have to clear everyone out of the courtroom. They have to send in more sheriff officers to come in to eventually restrain her. It took about 10 minutes, after all of this craziness, once they've restrained her, for the court to go back in session. And at that time quinn not so jolly, taylor's attorney, informed the judge that he would be filing a motion asking to be removed as Taylor's counsel.
Speaker 1:And I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to defend someone in court who publicly attacked me, but then, if you think about it, that's a good way to do the whole insanity thing.
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean she's if she is, she's doing a good job of being off a rocker. So the reason for court hearing that day was actually to determine if taylor was competent to stand trial, so she didn't really have to do all that. They were going to test her either way. In may of 2022, judge walsh ruled ruled that Taylor was mentally competent to be a part of her own defense Maybe not with that lawyer, because they don't seem to get along, but maybe with a different one.
Speaker 2:Now the trial, of course, proceeded and the jury, as you can imagine, found Taylor Shabiznis guilty of first degree intentional homicide, mutilation of a corpse and third degree sexual assault. On July 26th of 2023. Things I'm telling you. This crazy train keeps going. It doesn't end there, lordy. So the sentencing hearing brings in quite a few people to speak on both Taylor's behalf and, of course, there's like witness impact statements from Shad's family. So let's start with the major witness for Taylor, which was her own father, and I watched the video and was quite shocked to see her own father walk in in his own orange jumpsuit sporting his own handcuffs.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh lord, what is he incarcerated for?
Speaker 2:He's serving up to 12 years for sexually assaulting a child. Oh my gosh. And he doesn't. He like obviously doesn't look great for like credibility on the stand, but he isn't there to like give a character witness for Taylor as much as he's just giving information about Taylor's background, especially in regards to her mental health and her drug use.
Speaker 1:Okay, so a few possibilities mitigating factors that could help reduce her sentence. But you said some of Shad's family members provided witness impact statements.
Speaker 2:Right, they did and I think that they might have surprised me even more than Taylor's father. They might have surprised me even more than Taylor's father. I listened to these and I listened to Shad's father and his uncle, both of which told Taylor they forgave her and hoped that one day she could be released from prison. Here's a quote from Shad's father. Quote Taylor, I forgive you for what you did to my son. You made a bad choice. I'm gonna miss shad. He was a wonderful child too. Believe, everybody makes bad choices maybe not to this scale. It does no good to hate you. I know you've got a got a heart, got a mind.
Speaker 1:In quote I understand to some degree forgiveness, um, and that's usual for a person forgiven and not the person they are forgiving. But to hope her well and to refer her to horrendous things she did to Shad as a bad choice, as wilds me. And no, even if I forgive you, that's for me probably, but I don't want you ever out of jail or anything. Right, you can rot there. I mean like I want to forgive you, so I, it doesn't eat me up, but oh my god, I'm sorry, but it would be one thing.
Speaker 2:An accidental death, yeah, I might forgive you and hope you get out because of an accident. Even then I might have a hard time with that if you brutally murder, dismember, sexually assault. I mean the level of disturbing her crime was. She should never see the light of day.
Speaker 1:No, she definitely should, and as a parent.
Speaker 2:If that was my child, I would not ever want you to be out. I would not call what you did a bad choice. I would call you a monster anyway.
Speaker 1:So I did have a question. Like her dad is there for um for sexual assault against a child. Did he do that to her as well, growing up, or uh?
Speaker 2:we're gonna circle back to that at the end. My answer is I don't know, but I do want to talk about that. Um, however, with Shad's family I agree. Obviously. I've never been in their shoes. Hope to God, I'm never in anybody's shoes who has to go through that. Um, I would think even forgiveness would be a tough thing for me in that situation, much less hoping she would one day be released.
Speaker 2:No, that's a no for me yeah, despite the moving witness statements, judge walsh still ordered taylor to life in prison without the possibility of parole, claiming he had to protect the public from her. Basically right, which he isn't wrong. At no point during any of the trial did it seem that Taylor showed any kind of remorse. Actually, I got there's a lot on court TV and I'll talk about that later, but she normally doesn't show remorse. First time she's smiling, oh my.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 2:At one point they like put something I swear her attorney had to decide. She has like a thing over her mouth and I think that's so that people can't see her facial.
Speaker 1:Like you mean like a, like the mask we wore in COVID, or like what do you mean?
Speaker 2:No like it's, it's um cause she's going to trial in like 2022. So it's over. It's um kind of like if you put a bandana almost around, like you ever have, like a turtleneck shirt, one of those turtleneck shirts. Yeah, it looks like someone put a turtleneck shirt around like her mouth.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, Jaw area Like it wraps around her whole head but it's not just covering her mouth Like. It's covering like her cheeks and stuff that is. I think it's so they can't see like the faces she's making because she's wild and at one point when her dad's on the stand she throws up like the I love you hand sign to him. Gosh, just like wild, of course, in true taylor's business fashion. This is still not the end of her crazy antics. She would end up racking up another charge while behind bars. She was charged with battery by a prisoner.
Speaker 1:Is what it says on the criminal complaint hey, mercy, like what did she do to get that charge? Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2:well late july of 2024, taylor requested medical care for the staple she had in her arm. Don't know why that, like I don't, could not figure out why she has to ask.
Speaker 1:Can I ask what that was about? I?
Speaker 2:could not find, which I'm sure it's like. Since it's a medical thing, it's probably not released. But she has a staple in her arm and she needs to get it like removed. And so she's taken to the medical room, you know, for them to look at it. A nurse came in to see Taylor and to help her with the staples she gets some tweezers. You know she's going to use those to pull them out. However, when the tweezers touch the staple she's not pulling. It's not like hurting her the moment those tweezers touch the staple. Taylor pushed the nurse away and of course there's like an officer in the room to like for safety reasons, and he attempts to subdue taylor, and she reacted to that by swinging like the metal table that, like you know, medical stuff, yeah that metal table at the officer, and then the two, you know, engage into a struggle until the officer pepper sprayed taylor again.
Speaker 1:This is insane. So was anyone hurt during this scaffold From?
Speaker 2:what I was able to find. Taylor hit her head during this, but it wasn't enough to concuss her. She did have some bruising on her ribs and her arm was hurt Again. I don't know if this is the same arm that had staples, or the other arm, or a different part on the arm, I don't know where on her arm. Um, quite a bit of the trial, like I said earlier, and the sentencing hearings are available to view on court tv, which I was able to find on youtube.
Speaker 2:Um, and it was honestly really shocking to watch um like I said, Taylor has really like callous reactions, these very strange facial expressions, and just listening to people talk about all of it like the crime, her background, the statements from his family, it was just really when I was watching it felt like too crazy to be real life.
Speaker 1:But some of that I wonder if she was like putting on to, I mean she'd already like they, you know, like the whole insane thing, like you're sane enough to stand trial but like to for the jurors like, oh, this girl is not okay yeah, but even during the sentencing she's already not getting the insanity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so now you are showing no remorse. You're acting. Yeah, so now you are showing no remorse, you're acting. I don't know. You're smiling and throwing up. I love you signs.
Speaker 1:Also it reminds me of the Charles Manson followers of like just grinning and crazy crap they did. That just kind of freaks you out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just Shane, so I did want to talk about what you asked earlier. I don't know if her father ever did anything to her sexually. She never brings it up or talks about it. She seems to have a great like love for her father, so I don't know that she would ever talk about it if he did. And then I do wonder also, like her mom was obviously an alcoholic who died of cirrhosis right from alcoholism and so she had, like, obviously her mom had an addictive personality Right and was, you know, had addiction, which could also mean her mom had mental health issues that she self-medicated with alcohol and Taylor may have inherited those and chose to self-medicate with meth right so, um, I will say that while her uh trial was, while she was incarcerated awaiting her trial, her brother, um aj, ended up dying in a motorcycle accident.
Speaker 2:Um, oh, wow. So you know when she's going to stay in trial. She only has her father left, who's also incarcerated, her husband's incarcerated, her son lives with someone else and like they're in the process of adopting him, like she probably had to feel like very alone through all of that. Yeah, but I don't care how alone you feel, you can't be doing all the crazy stuff she did.
Speaker 1:No joke.
Speaker 2:So that is Taylor's shabizness, and if you know what's good for you, don't hang out with her. That's all I got to say. Mind your own shabizness, mind your own sh-business. Mind your own sh-business.
Speaker 1:We always recommend more Bubbly and less OJ Cheers.
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