Murder and Mimosas Podcast
A true crime podcast with a focus on lesser known crimes and the background of those who commit these heinous acts. Each case is told with a bit of southern sass, but with tons of in depth research and respect for those lost. Join this mom and daughter duo as they sip their mimosas while diving into tragic cases. New episodes every Saturday, just in time for brunch (and a mimosa of your own)!
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Echoes of Tragedy: The Push for Jhorden's Law
Can a system that’s meant to protect ultimately fail those who need it most? On this heart-wrenching episode, we sit down with Renee, the grandmother of Jhorden King Royale Clay, whose life was tragically cut short due to severe abuse. Renee recounts the harrowing details of Jhorden's short life, including the sporadic supervised visits with his father Quay, whose troubled past and association with a notorious family led to an unexpected and devastating Easter weekend visit. Through Renee's emotional narrative, we explore the complexities of family dynamics, trust, and the profound impact of such an unimaginable loss.
Despite the family's relentless efforts to rescue Jhorden from an unsafe environment, their pleas to the Department of Human Services and local police fell on deaf ears. This episode lays bare the family's struggle for justice, detailing their desperate attempts to save Jhorden, only to face a significant system failure. Renee receives a heart-shattering call that Jhorden has been rushed to the hospital, where she learns that he succumbed to severe malnutrition and physical abuse. The immense frustration with the system's failure and the emotional toll on Jhorden's family are palpable as we discuss their ongoing legal battles, from emotional courtroom testimonies to a $14 million lawsuit against various county and police departments.
We also delve into the family's personal struggles, including the trauma endured by Renee and her daughters, and their collective grief. We honor Jhorden's memory by advocating for change and promoting Jhorden's Law, with Renee leading the charge. This episode not only aims to support Renee's advocacy but also invites listeners to join us in spreading awareness for this crucial cause. Don't miss this poignant narrative that underscores the importance of protecting vulnerable children and the relentless pursuit of justice.
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Speaker 3:So we have Renee on the podcast today and she is here for her grandson, and can you tell us your grandson's name and age and a little bit about him? Jordan?
Speaker 4:King Royale Clay. He is forever four and he was the light of my life, and he is no longer here because he was abused and taken for granted. His little sweet personality was taken for granted by someone he was supposed to trust and love and protect him, and they failed to do that.
Speaker 3:So let's talk about that a little bit. So his mother had custody of him. Is that correct, or was there a joint custody?
Speaker 4:There was never no, like they had never been to court. She, just Jordan's dad, had never really been a part of his life. He was in and out. So Johnny see, and my daughter was, we were his soul, we were his caretakers. Like there was never no paperwork, though we just, you know, it was just kind of left alone. I guess in that sense there was no custody we should have had, she should have had full custody, but we didn't think it would get to where it got to right.
Speaker 3:So I know you said he wasn't in his life much so did he see him very often.
Speaker 4:He's seen Jordan maybe five or six times. I was a big advocate for his. Jordan's dad Name is Mark, we called him Quay. I was always a huge advocate for him to be in Jordan's life because Jordan wanted that. When he got older and started talking more and realizing oh, my mom calls you, know my grandpa dad, he wanted him in his life. When Jordan was probably about six months old was the first time he met Quay and I had taken Jordan actually to JDH to see his dad because he was in jail. And after that visit, Quay's aunt took Jordan a couple of times to McLaren, which is like the kid's prison out here, to go see Quay. So he had seen him a handful of times but never spent the night with him, never more than a couple hours, and never unsupervised with Jordan at all, Never.
Speaker 3:So how old was he when Jordan was born?
Speaker 4:Quay was 16, I believe he was either 15 or 16. They were really young. My daughter was 15. And I know they're at least two years apart. So they were. He was young.
Speaker 3:I knew you said he was like in a kid's prison, so I assumed he had to be. Yeah.
Speaker 4:So what was he just turned? 19 or 20 in May.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow. So what was his life like growing up since he was in jail at 16? Did he have his mom or dad around, or anything like that?
Speaker 4:We had his mom. His dad is in and out of prison but he comes from a family out here in Oregon who is very well known for gang activity. The detective on my grandson's case said even he was like I know that family, I know them well. So he had. He had a hard life growing up. He had a very hard life. So he was already, and I feel like, with the family he came from. He already had a label on his back. He looked up to his uncle a lot his mom's younger brother and his uncle is actually in prison for murder. So I think a lot of that. He just he had a really hard life and it didn't get any better, just kept getting worse and worse like that.
Speaker 3:So how did he end up with Jordan when, um when, he had Jordan in his custody?
Speaker 4:so Quay called my younger. I have a 16 year old named Talia. He called Talia and asked for my phone number and she was like well, why do you want my mom's number? And he was like I just want to talk to her. So he called me one night about the middle of April of last year and he was like you know, I feel like there's something missing out of my life and I know you've always wanted me to be in Jordan's life. He was like when I leave somewhere, I feel like I'm leaving something. And he was like it's my son. He was like I want to be a dad. He was like I want to help raise my son. Can I come get him? And I said no, you cannot. I was like I feel like because you don't know Jordan. Jordan is a very he was a very respectful child, but he had ADHD huge personality. I said you need to get to know him first. So how about I talk to Johnny? Because at the time Johnny lived in the apartment above me and overwent. Let me talk to her and see if maybe you can start out with coming to my house and staying the night and getting to know Jordan. That was the last time I talked to Clay and that was like the middle not April middle of March of last year, april 7th.
Speaker 4:There was a knock at my door and it was quay with my grandson and I just looked. I was like what is going on? He was like, oh, I need jordan's hair stuff because I had most of jordan's hygiene step down at my house. He was with me most of the time and I was like, okay, but it's easter weekend. Like what are you doing? He's like I bring him back on Sunday, so okay. So I gave him his hair stuff. I called Johnny and she was like it's okay, mom, I, you know he has the okay to go. So I gave him his hair stuff, gave him a hug and Hi, I'm Heather and I'm Dylan.
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Speaker 3:So where did he take him? When he had him, did he have his own place?
Speaker 4:He was living with his mom and Jordan had an iPhone that Johnny C gave him with the location on, and the location the whole time was in that apartment building where Quay said he was at the locked apartments we couldn't get in and that's where his location was pinging off of. Was there in them apartments. There was one time it had pinged off somewhere different and when we get further, we had went looking for him in a different location and couldn't find him there. But he was going to his mom's house. He said he worked and while he was at work his mom was watching Jordan. So he was supposed to bring him home Easter Sunday and that's kind of when everything started, with him not wanting to bring Jordan home.
Speaker 3:So how long would that have been that he had him, if he had brought him home on Easter Sunday?
Speaker 4:Just two nights, because he got him April 7th and Easter of that last year was April 9th, so he would have had him for two nights, okay.
Speaker 3:So what happened? Like did you try to get him or his mother, or what happened when you tried to.
Speaker 4:So Quay called on Easter and we had been wanting to get Jordan's haircut and he knew that. Quay knew that. So he was like well, let me keep him another day and I'm going to go to his haircut. And my daughter I feel so guilty because my daughter was so hesitant but I was like no, you know, just let him keep him, let him go get his haircut. Jordan seems fine. And she's like okay, mom.
Speaker 4:So one day turned into two days, two days turned into three days, and then it went probably about a week and he was like well, I'm not bringing him home, he's not coming home. And I was like well, why are you not bringing him home? And he was like because she's going to keep him from me. I said she's not going to keep him from me, that doesn't even make any sense, like you guys are fine. And so when quay's mom, felicia, had gone it and was like we're going to go to court and get custody, and I'm like for what? Like I don't understand. Why are you guys Jordan don't know you guys like that? Like I don't get it, why would you want to keep him? All of a sudden Because you guys have been since Johnnie C found out she was pregnant. Felicia Quay's mom had literally denied Jordan, denied him, denied him, that wasn't her son's baby and she was taking him to be a grandma.
Speaker 4:And my daughter was a excuse, my language, she was a tramp and it just it escalated from there and the first time we had called the police about it, mark Wavy had called me and Jordan was crying in the background and I was like, why is he crying? And he was like, oh, I put him in a cold bath. So why did you put him in a cold bath? Well, because he peed on himself. I said Jordan, don't pee on himself, that's not what he does. He's not peed on himself since he's been potty trained. And he was like, well, he peed on himself. So I put him in the bathtub and I'm listening to my grandbaby cry in the background, like I want to come home. And he was like you're not effing going home, you're sitting in the bath. And he hung up on me. He hung up on me and I told my daughter and we called the police so how long did he did?
Speaker 3:did he continue answering your calls, or had that been the first call you had, for that would have been with him.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that had been the first call that I had had with him since he had Jordan and he stopped responding to my text messages, to my phone calls. He stopped responding to John Nesia. A couple of days after that phone call, John Nesia came down to my house crying and I was like what's wrong? And she was like I just I have a feeling that he's going to do something to my son. Mom, we need to get my son and that's the night that his Jordan's iPhone was pinging off of 82nd division out here but we couldn't find it's if there's a like an Asian mall right there. We couldn't find him anywhere, nowhere. And then later we had found out there's a hotel behind there that they were at and Jania came down that next day after. She told me she had a feeling and she had a picture of my grandson on. They were on facetime.
Speaker 4:He called johnny cia. When he called johnny c, in the middle of the night, jordan had night terror. Sometimes because he liked to he was extremely smart we would put blocks on youtube, blocks on the tv for him watching certain things that would give him night terrors. We had a a night terror and Mark Wavis called Johnny C and he was like, if he screams like this again, I'm going to hurt him. And Johnny C was like what do you mean? Hurt him? Like, just bring him home. Like you know, bring him home. He was like, well, he screamed in the line. It scared me. He woke up and got on the phone with Johnny C on FaceTime and my grandson had a black eye and Johnny C took a live photo. We went the very next day to try to get a restraining order and emergency custody of Jordan with that picture. We had a picture of Jordan the day he left and that picture of his black eye. So the judge can see the difference. And the judge denied her restraining order, denied the emergency custody.
Speaker 4:Did he give a basis as to why, in his determination, we told him literally about the phone call he made to me with the cold bath about quay's criminal history, because he was already a violent, violent offender at his age and the judge just denied it. He didn't give us no reason, he didn't say but that it was denied.
Speaker 3:So you, called DHS too, to try to get somebody to check on. Did they do anything over there or anything at all?
Speaker 4:No, we went so far as to. We went out to North Portland, northeast Portland, one day and there's a precinct out there, that's probably about maybe a quarter mile from the apartment Talked to two different officers. The second officer that we talked to pulled up Quaid's criminal history and was like I don't understand. We explained the situation and showed her the picture of the black eye and when she pulled up his name she was like taken back a little bit. She was like oh, why haven't you got him yet? I said we've been trying. Nobody will let us in that building. They won't tell us where they're at, they won't answer our phone calls. They keep saying that they're going to do this and that to us and we've literally been trying everything we could to get him home. Went to their house.
Speaker 4:Now Felicia had another son who was probably about I think he's like four months younger than Jordan, who looks just like Jordan, was just a little darker. They had him acting like my grandson and hid Jordan from the officer. And when the officer called us that night she was like oh, she told us that Jordan was fine. She had laid eyes on Jordan. I said first of all, if he was quiet, that's not my grandson, especially around an officer. He wants a sticker, he wants to look at your uniform. Jordan was very much into firemen, like most little four-year-old boys were. He was super excited. So that's not my grandson. There's something wrong. That's a red flag right there. I know my grandson. There's something wrong, that's a red flag right there. I know my grandson.
Speaker 4:And she just kind of shrugged it off and I was like well, he's fine, you need to go to court and do this and do that. And you know that's the way you're going to have to do it. And now it's a civil matter. And I was like but what about the reports? What about his black eye? What about him putting him in a cold? I was like what do we do? Like my grandson is not being properly taken care of. He's not used to that. Like he did a very happy life. He wasn't disciplined. His discipline was not coming to grandma's house and that didn't last longer than an hour. That was my baby. Like he was always with me. He didn't get hit, spanked, none of that. So he was not used to that lifestyle, the yelling and the screaming and denying him food. He just wasn't used to that at all.
Speaker 3:I know that the police didn't help and DHS didn't help. So when did you find out that something was wrong with him? Who contacted you, or how did you find out that something was wrong with him? Did um? So who contacted you or how did you find out? So?
Speaker 4:may 3rd of last year. Quay called me it's probably about one in the afternoon and he was like mom, has jordan ever had a seizure? I was like no, what is wrong, quay? Where are you at? Where is jordan? And he was like we're at the hospital. So why are you at the hospital? And he was like we're at Emmanuel Jordan's. Fine, just come up here so we get in a lift. I live, probably with no traffic, maybe 20 minutes from Emmanuel hospital, where they were at five minutes from the hospital.
Speaker 4:The other grandma calls me, felicia calls me, and the first thing she said to me was we didn't do nothing to him. So what do you mean? She was like well, I just want to give you an update. Jordan's stable and breathing. And him so what do you mean? And she was like well, I just want to give you an update. Jordan's stable and breathing. And I was like what do you mean? He's stable and breathing. I don't understand. Like nobody's telling us what's wrong, nobody's telling us what happened.
Speaker 4:We get to the hospital. There's police everywhere. Quay is standing right outside of the emergency, like when you go into this hospital and to get back into the emergency room part to the rooms. He's standing outside that door with a bunch of police and this. There's an organization out here called poic. A couple of them employees were there because I guess they were at the scene when the ambulance came to get jordan. And quay looked at me and he was like don't start nothing. So what do you mean? Where's my grandson? My daughter's both my daughters are freaking out. I told my older daughter, jordan's mom. I said, johnny, go get a cop right now and show him everything on your phone. Tell him everything that's been going on, because something's wrong. She went and got that cop. As soon as they were done talking, they came. They put him in handcuffs and took him into another room. Nobody for about two hours would tell us nothing at all nobody for about two hours would tell us nothing at all, not even about Jordan's condition or anything?
Speaker 3:Were you able to see him when you got there?
Speaker 4:They wouldn't let us in the back at all, like at all. And probably about two hours after we had got there, doctor came out and took me and my daughters into a room and as soon as she said I I'm sorry, he didn't make it. What do you mean? He didn't make it? I don't understand. I don't even understand why we're here. Like what does that mean? She was like we worked on him for four hours and we got his heart to start one time and it we couldn't keep it going. His heart just stopped. She was like his heart was stopped before he got to the hospital and we tried and we tried and we couldn't. They couldn't get his heart to start back, partly because he was so malnourished and the other part because he had been hit so hard in his chest. Jordan was extremely little, he was four, but he was still in like a three t clothes.
Speaker 3:He was short and he was little so at that time, you still didn't even know what happened to him, did you? I had no idea. I know you said there were police when you got there, so I'm assuming the hospital called the police because they saw the condition he was in. Is that why they were there?
Speaker 4:yeah, I believe so. I later found out I was couldn't even talk at the hospital. I couldn't do nothing but cry like that was my grandbaby, my daughter's pain on my daughter's face. I've never seen my daughter that scared, that much pain, that hurt either one of them. I couldn't think about anything. The detective asked us a couple questions at the hospital and he was like you know, you're extremely upset, I'm gonna leave it alone for now. I couldn't think about anything. The detective asked us a couple questions at the hospital and he was like you know, you're extremely upset, I'm going to leave it alone for now.
Speaker 4:About a week later the detective called me and he was like you know, I kind of want to get this interview out of the way. We need it for bail hearings and, you know, for trial. It was okay if I come over and do it. And I said you know, you know, yeah, I'd rather get it done. He came over and my daughter had to have a heart condition. I'm my hat, my heart is tacky a lot, so it already beats too fast. My daughter had told him I don't my mom knowing everything, because she's not going to be able to deal with it.
Speaker 4:When he came over and we were doing the interview he jordan had. He was extremely malnourished. They were starving him. He was so dehydrated they couldn't get an iv in him. He had cigarette burns on him. He had like a gash in his side. He had bruises everywhere. He was extremely abused, tortured, like denied food, and the last time I spoke to my grandson on the phone he said he said, grandma, I want to come home. I said I know papa, grandmas were trying to get you home, I promise. And he was like oh, I'm hungry now, grandma, can I have an apple? I'm hungry. And his dad was in the background. He was like you're not going home, you, you're here, you are home. And Jordan just sounded so.
Speaker 3:He was so sad, so hurt. I'm so sorry, no.
Speaker 4:They have people that Witnessed Felicia. Tell my grandson he wasn't getting no food, he didn't need no food, he didn't need no food, he didn't need to eat anything, and push him down Like how do you so?
Speaker 3:was this witnesses, like at the hearing? Or I mean, I'm just trying to figure out how people can see this and they don't know anything or do anything.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that we didn't know about any of the witnesses until after Jordan's service Quay's dad. At that time he had been out of prison for about a year and he had contacted me multiple times before Quay even got Jordan and wanted to come and be in Jordan's life. I had invited him to parties, to barbecues, to Jordan's favorite place was the river. I had invited him to everything and he never showed up. He never came, never the day of my grandson's funeral. He showed his face and it made me so, so angry, like how, how, you weren't even part of his life when he was alive and you want to come on the day of his funeral. After that he started calling my daughter and telling my daughter the things here and there that he knew.
Speaker 4:He's the one who said there was witnesses to Fee denying Jordan food, that Fee had told Felicia had told him that she hated Jordan, that that wasn't her son's baby, and this the whole time they had him, they had got a DNA test, so they knew that Jordan was in fact Mark Wavis' baby when we told the detective about those statements. I don't even know if there's been anything done with the witnesses. I know that Alicia is not in jail as of right now, I feel like she most definitely should be. I feel like she's a bigger part than is being said. She's hated my daughter since the minute Johnicia told her that she was pregnant. She hated my daughter. She tried to have my daughter jump. She tried to kick my friend Oren. She used to call Jordan a bastard baby.
Speaker 3:Now did you say Felicia had a son that's four years or that was four years old, but so how is she with him and with her other children? Is she so he?
Speaker 4:she has marquavius martavius, which is tay, is my daughter, so she's 15 or 16. She has one that's four months younger than jordan and then she just she just had a baby, probably about a year ago. She had a little girl and they took her kids at first because when they took the little one she calls him junior. I believe they took junior to this place out here called northwest cares for children, like they've been abused or seen anything like that. They interview them. He I can't listen to his interview, but he told the doctors and the police that he witnessed his mom hurt his uncle Jay and his brother hurt his uncle Jay and push him down and they took her kid. They took for a while she did not have them, no sex. She has them back now. I don't know how that's even possible. I don't. That's the part that I don't understand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but she's. She doesn't do this to her kids.
Speaker 4:No no, not the young one, right, the younger ones, I don't know. I've witnessed her when quay was younger. I've watched her punch like physically punch him in the head and the back of the neck. So I know that she was abusive to Quay and his younger brother, the now 16-year-old. But the younger ones, the younger two, I don't know. I can imagine, I can only imagine what she did to my grandson and then, knowing what I know that she did to Marquavius when he was a child. But they're not doing anything. Dhs they're not. They won't do anything and I don't know why they, the state of Oregon just got I want to say two, maybe three months ago I hit with the $14 million lawsuit in the wrongful death of Jordan and it's a whole. It's the Clackamas County Judicial System, clackamas County Sheriff's Office, multnomah County Police, portland Police Department and DHS in both Multnomah and Clackamas counties and DHS is the only one who has hit a Swift-to-Counter lawsuit. And I don't understand.
Speaker 4:There was allegations made that, even though there's police records, there's police phone calls, there's the attempted restraining order, they know that we did not have Jordan in our care from April 7th on. That's the last time we physically seen him. They tried to tell the police at the hospital that they had just picked Jordan up for me three days prior and that he was already malnourished and starved and he had all these bruises and cigarette burns. And so we got. I got invested for I want to say it was a couple of weeks Like they were really looking into my history and I was like I'm not perfect, but what I'm not isn't an abuser. My grandson went to every doctor's appointment. My daughters are healthy. They were not abused. I don't understand why you guys are looking into us when there's physical evidence that we did not have Jordan and when he was in our care he was perfectly healthy. Every picture that we have of him his smile is genuine, he's genuinely happy and the pictures from him it was like a forced smile.
Speaker 3:He is so precious, yeah, he is so precious. Yeah, he is just a doll.
Speaker 4:That was my I'll never, ever. I was mad at my daughter when she got pregnant, but that love that I felt for him is way different. I love my children very much, but the love that I have for my grandbaby is way. It's so much different. It's hard to explain until you're a grandmother. Right.
Speaker 3:My children very much, but the love that I have for my grandbaby is way. It's so much different.
Speaker 4:It's hard to explain until you're a grandmother right, super hard to explain because he, he would get away with a lot with me and his mom. My daughter's like are you serious, mom? Like I didn't look for that, what are you doing? Like he, when jordan can, when he first started crawling and he can open up his own snacks, he had his own snack drawer, the cabinets. He had his own snack drawer in the refrigerator. I made sure he had everything on his own that he could get to safely and my daughters didn't have that. So they were kind of mad. They were like we couldn't not go in the refrigerator without asking you where the cabinets. And I was like, well, you're not jordan, so that's my kids he was.
Speaker 3:I understand that completely. So they did end up arresting him. I know you said that Well, so tell me about the court hearing. So he was arrested and charged.
Speaker 4:As soon as my daughter got done, talking to the officer at the hospital, they arrested him. Right then he got arrested. He had an arraignment two days later and he pled. Obviously he pled not guilty. They gave him no bail and then about it took maybe six months for him to get an actual bail hearing and the bail hearings are usually only one day day, they're eight hours. His was split up into four days because there was just so much evidence, so much going on and I couldn't go because they played like the younger brother's testimony. I just I couldn't, I just couldn't. But the bail got denied.
Speaker 4:They tried to his attorney which it's his attorney's job, I understand it, but it made me super mad because they were trying to justify by saying that his charges need to be lowered to an assault, because there's a law stating that if your child needs harsh discipline, you can do that, but there's not a law saying that you can hit your child so hard or burn your child or pet him or starve him for discipline. And Jordan didn't need that type of discipline. Like I said, the only discipline Jordan had at home was that he couldn't go to grandma's house or he couldn't play his game or he couldn't watch YouTube. But even then they didn't even last that long, literally because he just smiled and I love you, grandma, or I love you mom, or I love you tt, and that it was over.
Speaker 4:He was in trouble. No more, he never. We never had to spank him, put him in a corner, put a foxhawks in his mouth. We never had to do any of that with him, never. So I know all that was so new to him and I could just I. It plays in my head like how scared he was because he didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3:He wasn't, he just wasn't used to any of that and I don't know what the laws are in oregon, but I used to to teach and I know like the classes we'd go through you could you know you could only spank them on the bottom, like a parent could, or so, like cigarette burns and malnourishment and things like that. I don't even know how he could fight that.
Speaker 4:That's what I didn't understand, because that's the same out here. You can spank your child, but it has to be with your slap open hand, it has to be on their bottom and it has to be something in between your hand and their butt. That's what I thought the law was out here. That's what I was made to believe. Me and my older daughter had kind of a harsh relationship when she was younger and that's how I learned that the spanking laws was behind her and I was like well, I don't understand, because he's literally abused. He had lost 12 pounds in the last like three weeks that he was there.
Speaker 4:So a four-year-old doesn't even have 12 pounds to lose right, he was already little and the last, the next time, the next and the last time I seen him after he walked out of my door was in his casket and he, just like you, could see the weight off of his face. He just wasn't. He had a chunky little face and chunky cheeks, and watching him lay there like he just you could see his cheekbones.
Speaker 3:I just hate all that for you. Huh, I just hate all that for you. My, I only have one grandson too, and he's four. So this is hard for me to even imagine or hear any of this. And Danica couldn't be with us tonight because she has him at soccer practice. So it's just me, but I just keep thinking, putting myself in your place. I just can't.
Speaker 4:It just breaks my heart. I don't wish this pain on nobody besides me either.
Speaker 4:I wish it on her because I know she don't feel it. I know she don't. Nobody in that other family I know that they don't. They don't care, they don't feel the way that we feel like, yeah, they could go on living their lives every day and just be happy. But me I have both my daughters I have to worry about being suicidal, especially my older one. I have my own mental health. This has caused so many, so many triggers. I can't. My 16 year old can't even leave the house without me freaking out, like if she don't answer her phone. I freak out because I'm afraid, so afraid that she's gonna walk out the door and not come home.
Speaker 4:My older daughter used to live right across from the same apartments as me but I could see Jordan's bedroom window and her front door from my porch. But she moved across. She probably lives like a half a mile from me now and I worry all the time, like I have her neighbor she don't know, but I have her neighbors watching out for her because she's mentally spiraling out of control, like she's extremely depressed, she. It's super hard for her and I have this guilt because she told me she cried, she fell on her floor one day and she was like he's gonna do something to my son. I know it. He told me he was gonna make me hate my life, mom. Like he's not bringing my son home. There's something wrong. I was like, no, he just wants to be a dad. Like, he just wants to be a dad, that's it. And jordan wanted his dad in his life so bad, so bad. When he heard three, probably about three and a half, he started going around the house and a song would come on and be like oh, grandma, that's my dad's song, or that's my dad's favorite color, that's my dad's favorite food. Or he had this picture in his head. He just wanted his dad, like he's seen he has. He had his grandpa and he had which is my girl's dad. He had my ex-boyfriend, who were just like grandpas to him and I think seeing his aunt and his mom called him dad, it made him, even at three, was like wondering you know where's my dad? I have my mom, my grandma, my papa and my titi, but I don't have a dad.
Speaker 4:So when Quay popped up and was, like you know, I want to be a dad, I told my daughter you didn't do, because she feels so guilty. You didn't do anything wrong. You did what any mother would do. You trusted this man with your son. This is his dad. He wasn't supposed to hurt him. His other grandma wasn't. Nobody was supposed to hurt him. You did nothing wrong, but be a mom, a single mom at that. She had me and her dad and her sister, but she was still a single mom. She didn't have that man to teach Jordan to use the bathroom in the correct way, to baseball, video games. You know all that. You didn't do nothing wrong, johnny See. Literally you wanted your son to have his dad and that's not a fault, that's not a wrong. A lot of females these days, especially younger ones, they don't want the dad in their kids' lives or the dad that they want.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just going to say that, but there's so many try to keep them out of their life and it's so harmful for the kids Right. So I'm really glad. I mean, I hate that how things turned out, but I'm glad that you were encouraging her to do that, because I know there are so many that don't. I know it didn't work out in the way anybody would have wanted, but I do hate that. So what did? What happened to him when he went to court? Did he admit to anything, or so he?
Speaker 4:admitted to putting him in the cold bath and making him stand in the corner and hit the bottom of his foot with the hanger. Putting him in the cold bath and making him stand in the corner and hit the bottom of his foot with the hanger and he said that that's what used to happen to him as a child when he got in trouble is that he would stand in the corner, which I believe in standing in corners, but with my daughters we didn't hit them in the corner. If they stood in the corner, it was for less than five minutes and we usually would make them hold their arms up for a minute of that time, depending on what they did. But as for hitting with hangers on the bottom of their foot, never. He admitted to that and that's the only thing that he's admitted to.
Speaker 4:We were just told recently that since this whole time we had been thinking that Mark Wavis didn't like that the mom Felicia was at fault. That's literally what we really have, just a strong feeling about that he's taking this for his mom. But we had recently found out that the person who punched Jordan in the chest was one of Mark Wavis's cousins and when we reached out to the detective to tell the detective. Apparently, the detective is still looking for that person to question him and I'm hoping, because I don't want to have this hatred in my heart for him. I don't want to think that he really did this to my grandbaby. I really don't, because I feel like I just I don't want to believe that he could look at his beautifuls like he could look at him and hurt him. I don't want to believe that at all. But I feel like, because I have a lot of emotions about it, I feel like they all had something to do with it, because you, felicia, as a grandma, as a mom, as a woman, should have never, you should have encouraged your son to bring him home, Not. Oh well, we're going to go custody, we're going to do this, we're going to do that and I'm like, based off what? Custody? Off what? So if you go to court, custody off of weapons, if you go to court, I have friends that work for dhs. I've got a lot of people in a lot of places that are good people. What are you going to say to them? Because we've never abused him, never. Jordan, would tell you himself. And it's funny because when the detective came to to do my interview. Uh, he asked me. He said do you think felicia would hurt jordan? And I said, yeah, I do, I really do. And he was like because I asked her if she thought you would hurt him and she told me no, jordan was renee's, everything like that was her baby, her pride and joy. And I said, well, yeah, she knows I'm not going to do that. I I'm not an abusive person. We all have issues. I have anger issues. She's going to bring that up in court and I know the other attorney is going to bring it up.
Speaker 4:I have fought with my older daughter. We have had physical altercations, but as a grown woman, not as a child, not as a child. My children were never abused, malnourished. They never, never. So my emotions are, they're everywhere. I just I miss my grandbaby a lot.
Speaker 4:There's days that I didn't literally just cry all day, like his pictures are all over my house everywhere and the triggers, the trauma. Like my daughter, my 16 year old went to the state fair last week with her girlfriend and she told me she was like mom. I couldn't stay because I'm looking around everywhere and I see little kids. She was like Jordan's supposed to be with me at that fair. It's just it's caused so much, so much. I, for probably about six months I couldn't look at an apple, I couldn't even go into the produce section of a store without having an extremely bad panic attack. That's the last thing Jordan had asked me for and it's just so traumatizing, so traumatizing and it sucks, because I know, I know that they don't go through what we go through. I know they don't Even with Quay sitting in jail. I don't think him sitting there in that cell all day. I don't think he thinks one thing about Jordan. He has no remorse, and I know he don't because anytime we go to court there's always a smile on his face like a smirk.
Speaker 4:The last time I went to court, quay's grandmother was recently. They say she killed herself, but I don't believe that she had did a request to get out for her funeral. And when the attorney notified us I was like no, what do I need to do? Like we went to court. My I have a trauma therapist who went with me and helped me write a letter to the judge, and as soon as the Jordan's attorney stood up it was like well, we have a letter from the maternal's, not going to stop anything. She read the letter and after she read the letter there was a representative there from the multnomah county, uh, from the portland police department, who had said, too, we don't want him released, we're not going to pay to babysit him. We feel like it's going to be more violence if he gets released and he don't listen in joe, so why is he going to listen outside of Joe? And the attorney was like well, quace attorney was like well, we're ready to pay those costs for him to be released, so McKinney don't have to pay them. And the judge asked. The judge was like do you guys have overlapping friends? And I said we do a lot Like I've known that family for 30 plus years. We have a lot of overlapping friends, a lot of people who I know will be at that funeral.
Speaker 4:And the judge looked at Quayne. He was like I'm not releasing you. He was like I honestly fear for your safety if I release you into the community. And I just started crying like because how dare you? Why would you feel like you deserve? To me, going to a funeral is a privilege, even though it's not a good thing. To me, it's a privilege to go say your goodbyes, especially to your grandmother. That's something that everybody wants to be able to do. Jordan, he didn't get to come home, he couldn't go to a funeral, so why should you be able to go? And he just looked at me like with the most evil hateful look. Like I can't believe you did that. Well, I can't believe that you hurt my grandbaby like that, like I'm going to do everything in my power for you to stay in there for the rest of your life and for your mama. I want his mama needs to be arrested.
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Speaker 3:So when the attorney said they have the funds to do that, did he mean from the family or did he mean from the state? I'm thinking from the family. Okay, that's what I thought you meant, but I thought surely they would not do that?
Speaker 4:yeah, I think from the family, because the portland police representative that was there he was adamant. He was so adamant he was like he does not need to be in the public, like his crime is horrible. He was like I've just heard around town and through the jail system there, it's not a good thing if he gets released. It's not a good thing. He was like I've just heard around town and through the jail system, it's not a good thing. If he gets released, it's not a good thing. And he was like well, his mom will pick him up and bring him back and I'm looking like his mom is a part of it. Why would she pick him up and bring him home? He's a flight risk for one. He's got family everywhere, you know. Just, he doesn't need to be out at all.
Speaker 4:Jordan's not out playing. This is Jordan's favorite favorite season this fall. The rain was his favorite thing and it was raining at the time of the hearing. I was like he, he can't come out and play in the rain. He can't go to his great grandma's. I said because if circumstances. In my letter I was like if circumstances were different, we'd probably be going to that funeral, because I knew Quay's grandmother too, but under their circumstances we're not going. You know, if Jordan was still alive and everything was different, we would be taking Jordan. But he's not here, like there's no reason that his dad should get to go say goodbye.
Speaker 3:So what was he sentenced with? How long was he sentenced?
Speaker 4:We don't even have, we haven't even been to trial yet. Oh okay, how long was he sentenced?
Speaker 4:We don't even have. We haven't even been to trial yet. Oh, okay, we don't have trial until I want to. I believe it starts in May of next year and it's two or three months. We already have all the dates, I have them somewhere in my room, but it's like two or three months worth of trial time every day. So his charges are murder. He's got a murder, a couple of abuse charges and he just acts like it's no big deal.
Speaker 4:I have friends that are in jail. I have an ex-boyfriend who at the time I was in a relationship with, who was in jail as well and he had got transferred from the penitentiary to county jail, was in jail as well and he had got transferred from the penitentiary to county jail and he had called me and he was like this boy is just in here walking around like he did not do nothing to his son, to his child, like he has no, just no remorse or anything. No remorse, no, no, nothing. Like the only. I think the only one out of Quay's immediate family who feels any type of anything is Quay's younger auntie, and she had showed up to the hospital that day and she's messaged me a few times on Facebook, but she kind of stays away because she's honestly, she's afraid of Johnny Sia. She was like I want to go to court, be on your' side, but I don't know how Johnny Sia is going to take seeing me and I was like that's not a good idea. I don't, I wouldn't want to put you in that position because my daughter's full of anger and rage, like she is full of it and she doesn't care who it is from that family.
Speaker 4:Because we reached out to I know a lot of people for helping that family. We got denied everywhere, everywhere. Nobody would help get get jordan home. So it she's the only one. She was like I'm sorry, I don't know how many times she's told me sorry. And I was like, honestly sorry, he's not going to bring my grandbaby back. He could have went, got him and brought him home and you did not. We reached out to you too and, yeah, argued me down, argued me down, me and daughter, about what Quay had told us about putting him in the cold bath. We don't believe in abuse and that's not Quay. And Quay knows I'd beat the crap out of him myself if he was abusing Jordan. And I'm like, no, you guys were wrong. We tried.
Speaker 3:You said that you reached out to several people. Did any of them go over there and contact you back, or did they just say they're not going to get involved at all?
Speaker 4:They're not going to get involved. There's this one person in that family who I've known for at least 30 years that I call dad, and he is actually Jordan's great, great great uncle, because he's Felicia's mom's brother. So he's Jordan's, that's great, twice, I think. B's uncle, quay's great uncle yeah, so Jordan's great great uncle. I reached out to him and since then I don't have no relationship or no communication with him. So I reached out to him crying and he was the one that Jordan knew in that family. He knew him very well and I called him crying.
Speaker 4:I was like I need you to help me get Jordan home. Like this is what Clay is telling me. We can't get him home, can you please go get him? And he was like oh, I don't have Felicia's phone number, I don't't want to get involved because you know, jordan's my family, renee's like my daughter, but Fi and Quay, that's my family. How is that different from Jordan? Jordan is a product of Quay. That is your bloodline running through him. Ever since then I've completely cut all communication with him because I don't feel like you're justified in what you said. Now my grandson's gone and the people we reached out to just close the door on us turn them back on us and, I hope, the ones that we did reach out to. I hope they feel absolutely horrible. I hope that pain eats away at them for the rest of their miserable lives. Yeah, I think it pain eats away at them for the rest of their miserable lives.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it would have to at me. And I guess if they knew Felicia and what kind of person she was, they would think that she might do this to her grandson if this is how she was with her children. But I guess maybe they never thought it would get that bad, since that's what I think was with her children. But I guess maybe they never thought it would get that bad since it happened with her kids.
Speaker 4:You never know. It's like Jordan was just so innocent, so innocent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, those that were supposed to be there to protect him were the very ones hurting him.
Speaker 4:It's just crazy. I try not to think about how he was feeling the last couple days of his life, but it's so hard because I'm like he was so malnourished. He got punched because he found some Skittles and was eating some skittles because he was that hungry. That's ultimately what happened. This, the the pain that I feel, is indescribable. It's so indescribable. I've lost my mom, my dad. I just lost an ex-boyfriend who was like the love of my life in July, and the pain is not even comparable to my grandson. It's how he suffered and just thinking about looking into his little eyes, like I just don't understand how anybody, anybody, can do that which I. I don't understand it at all.
Speaker 4:I don't know either, but we will definitely be keeping an eye out for the trial and I will definitely give you updates, okay, about the trial and most definitely be giving you updates about that and updates about I'm trying to get a law passed in his name, trying to figure out how to do that in my state and get it out to actual to the capital, because I feel like there needs to be more child protection rights against parents because parents do kill, parents abuse. Yeah, kids are most of the time 90 in the time. They're too afraid to tell anybody right?
Speaker 3:no, I mean, but yeah, this wasn't even that case, though nobody just you can't even that case, though Nobody just you can't even get anybody to check on him.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm trying to get done out here. I feel like when a child is old enough to speak and they're somewhere, whether it's with a mom or a dad, and they're uncomfortable and they want to go home, take them home. There's a reason. Our kids have feelings. They have feelings like we do.
Speaker 3:You know? I don't know, if there had been a custody order, would she have been able to get him, or would that still have been a civil matter? Or do you know?
Speaker 4:They said it would have been a civil matter. So then when we went to the courthouse for her to get the restraining order and emergency custody and the judge denied it, that was that Like there was nothing. And it's so crazy because I hate to put my daughter's business out there. I know she's not going to care, but that same judge, I want to say six months later, my daughter got in trouble. My daughter is.
Speaker 4:Ever since she lost Jordan, her anger has gotten a little worse. She got to not a physical altercation because she never touched the girl, but actually the girl that used to live in my apartment that I live in now because I moved apartments. She was talking about my grandson and she pulled a knife on my 16 year old my day. My daughter is extremely protective and so she kind of came over here and knocked on the door. She banged on the door, she didn't kick it in. She ended up going to jail that day, getting arrested for false charges. When she finally got a court date to be released, the same judge that released her is the same judge that denied her restraining order and he looked at her case and he was like your son. He was like your son, like I know your face from the news Like that's horrible. And now you're in here for protecting his name and I'm just looking at the judge like you're part of the reason why my grandson's not here anymore.
Speaker 4:He denied her restraining order for no reason. No reason at all.
Speaker 3:Did he say anything about that.
Speaker 4:I don't think he put it together. I don't think he remembered. I know he has to remember now because he got hit with a lawsuit Like he specifically named in that lawsuit. So I know he's got to remember now like oh, I denied it, oh, I released his mom for protecting his name. Yeah, like, oh, I denied it. Oh yeah, his mom was there for protecting his name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so yeah, I think he's gotta know now, especially with this lawsuit. Yeah, so what kind of things did jordan love? I know you said he was active. Did he love cartoons or any jordan love characters or dinosaurs, spider-man for cartoon characters, spider-man, sonic, um, dinosaurs.
Speaker 4:Jordan knew the name of every dinosaur by the time he was three. He was super smart, like he was spider-man for halloween. The last one, when he had everything, was spider-man. He would run around the house and go grandma, look my dad. He loved that. He loved the water. The river was his favorite place to go. My younger sister drove up here from california in 2021 and took us camping and jordan went camping. My mom would take us to a place I hear called cape lookout on the coast and as kids so we went there for about a week and he absolutely loved the water. He loved the beach. He didn't want to leave the rivers. We were at the rivers all the time like he was a water baby, dinosaur, spider-man in the water. Those were his favorite things. So it's super hard like I get his.
Speaker 4:This past birthday in july, we went to his favorite place at the river and had a little barbecue, which is us and I had surprised my daughters. I got a piñata. This is I'm so horrible, but it made them feel so much better. I got a pinata and I had my trauma therapist printed out a picture of Felicia and Quay and I taped it to the pinata. Actually, great idea when I said they beat the crap out of that pinata like, broke my broomstick and bloodied their knuckles, that they were on the ground like literally letting all their anger, and I was like I'm so people are walking by looking like what is going on, and I'm like it's okay, I know what they're doing, they're, they're and they, they got a lot of anger out that night. I was kind of, I was not kind of really glad that they did that.
Speaker 4:But jordan literally was the light of all of our lives, all of them, and I know that they say that God has a reason for everything and that Jordan was here to change something. But I just still can't figure out what that change was supposed to be, because both of my daughters my older daughter, she's had three suicide attempts before jordan, two before jordan and one when he was about six months old, where if I hadn't awoke up, my, my baby, wouldn't be here no more. My 16 year old is extremely depressed, extremely depressed. She hardly leaves her room. I just I don't understand. I get it Like why would you put him on earth for those short little four years? I don't know the point, because life is so much different without him. My house is quiet, my daughter still has a two bedroom, so she's still in his bedroom. I don't understand. I don't think I ever will, because it's made our life.
Speaker 3:I was going to say. Sometimes we never do understand or never know why. So, yeah, that's hard to even wrap your mind around and I can't even imagine why God would want to take a four year old. So I know that that's just not something we can rationalize. But I thank you very much For talking to us and telling us about Jordan. We will definitely be keeping in touch and checking what all is happening. I do thank you very much for coming and talking to us. We'll be praying for all of you. I know that it's hard. I know there's got to be a for all of you. I know that it's that it's hard. I know there's gotta be a lot of anger. Still, yeah, and I know it's like yeah, I know that you don't even feel like you. You know, even the common prison or in jail, you still don't feel like you have justice with Felicia out.
Speaker 4:So I feel like I won't be satisfied, honestly, until they feel the pain that we feel, because it's it's never gonna go away and it doesn't get any easier to me. It just gets worse because every day that I wake up, I get a constant reminder that he's not gonna bust in my room and want to take a bath in the morning or want to go play in the rain or bring his dinosaurs. I'm not going to step on a dinosaur or lego anymore. Like it just gets worse and it sucks. But thank you for having me because you're honestly, you're the first, first podcast I've been able to do about jordan. I've had so many, so many different people like, well, let's do this, and I just I haven't been able to do it at all but I feel comfortable talking to you.
Speaker 3:It is very hard, and my dad was murdered. I know how I mean in that. I can't even imagine that being anything close to my grandson. It's still a pain. It's still somebody that you lose. Yeah, I can't even imagine that being anything close to a grandchild, though. So, but I understand your hurt and anger, but I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better. But I know there's nothing I can say or do that would make you feel better.
Speaker 4:Thank you, though, because it's hard.
Speaker 3:We'll definitely be in our thoughts and prayers and we will be checking on you. And again, thank you for being here and telling jordan's story. Thank you for sharing all the pictures you're welcome.
Speaker 4:I didn't know. I was like, do I send too many? But I'm not sending enough?
Speaker 3:I don't think you can send enough. He's just so, so cute that he was definitely cool. Yes, he is, he was precious, he's so cute. Thank you, you're welcome. Was there anything else you want to say before we get off?
Speaker 4:I don't think. So I know I have a Facebook page called Jordan's Law that I'm trying to get out there so I can get this law in his name.
Speaker 3:Okay, we will link that. We'll put that on our Facebook and link in the show notes and everything, so we'll make sure everybody hears about that. You're welcome. We always recommend more bubbly and less OJ Cheers we always recommend more bubbly and less oj cheers.
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