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Insects and Injustice: Solving a Gruesome Crime
What if a seemingly airtight alibi isn't quite as foolproof as it appears? Join us as we unravel the spine-chilling events of July 8, 2003, in Bakersfield, California, where Kelsey Spann's frantic 911 call led to the discovery of a gruesome crime scene. Joni Harper, her three children, and her mother were all found brutally murdered, leaving investigators to grapple with a complex puzzle. Was it a staged robbery, or was Joanie's mother, Ernestine, a well-known civil rights activist, the intended target? We delve into the tangled web of theories surrounding these tragic deaths and the initial police suspicions.
The story takes a dramatic turn as we explore the stormy relationship between Joanie and Vincent. They married, separated, and remarried amidst a backdrop of personal turmoil and professional ascent. Despite Vincent's alibi in Ohio during the murders, a surprising clue from Walmart security footage began to unravel his story, leading to his arrest and ultimate conviction. We piece together the investigation, examining the critical evidence and the courtroom drama that saw 137 witnesses take the stand. Vincent's extramarital affairs and child support issues cast further shadows on his character, suggesting deeper motives behind the horrific crime.
In a surprising twist, forensic entomology becomes the hero of our story, as two insects found in Vincent's rental car play a pivotal role in solving the case. As we dissect the evidence, including the staggering 5,400 miles driven in Vincent's rental car. You'll want to stick around for our cheeky conclusion, where we remind you to enjoy more bubbly and less OJ. Don't forget to check out related pictures on our Instagram and follow us on TikTok, Twitter, and Facebook for the latest updates. Plus, we love hearing from you—send us your case suggestions via email.
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https://nypost.com/2023/12/19/news/principal-vincent-brothers-concocted-elaborate-alibi-after-murdering-his-family/
https://www.kget.com/news/crime-watch/kern-crime-vincent-brothers-killed-his-family-20-years-ago/
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Speaker 2:Bringing you murder stories with a mimosa in hand. With a mimosa in hand, murder Mimosas is a true crime podcast, meaning we talk about adult matters such as murder, sexual assaults and other horrendous crimes. Listener discretion is advised. We do tell our stories with the victims and the victims families in mind. However, some information is more verifiable than others. However, you can find all of our information linked in the show notes. Welcome to Murder and Mimosas. I'm Danica and I'm Shannon.
Speaker 2:Today we are going to talk about quite an interesting story. It's very, very sad and major trigger warning there are children involved in this. But let's go ahead and get started. So it was July 8, 2003 at 7 am when a 911 call comes into Bakersfield, california. A concerned friend named Kelsey Spann had gone over to her friend Joni Harper's home to check on her. A red flag had gone up for Kelsey when Joni hadn't been heard from since church on Sunday and Joni had a few kids and her and Kelsey were pretty good friends, so normally they would, you know, check in each other, call each other, things like that. But Kelsey hadn't heard anything and it was very odd. So she actually drove over to Joni's home because obviously she wasn't answering the phone. That way she could check in on her. And she actually had a spare key for the back door, so she let herself in when she'd knocked a few times and no one had come to the door.
Speaker 1:Okay, so is she married.
Speaker 2:We'll get with that. Okay To that in just a minute. Okay, technically, yes, but he does not live there. However, joni's mother she's living with her mother and her children. They are all in the home. So when Kelsey walks in, she stumbles upon like her worst fears come to life. Right, we really tend to think the worst, and normally it's not a big deal like maybe Joni's phone was broken, like that's kind of what she was hoping for, but unfortunately that would not be the case.
Speaker 2:So on this 911 call, she's made it into the home, but not very far before she finds joni and she tells the dispatcher that she sees joni quote laying on the bed. Dead end quote. Now the police, of course. They show up to the scene and they're under the expectation that they're going to find joni dead in her bed. Right, because that's what they were just told by kelsey, right? However, what they actually end up finding is much more sinister. Not only was joni found dead at the scene, but they found her three young kids and her mother also dead at the scene oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I was just about to ask, like, where's her mother in all this this?
Speaker 2:So everyone that lives in that home is now not only dead but have been murdered. So each of the five victims had been shot and the home was in disarray and the police are kind of looking around already, kind side-eyeing the house, because they realize fairly quick that nothing is missing, right like the electronics are there money and credit cards, are still there jewelry is there.
Speaker 1:So that's not like a home invasion or robbery or anything.
Speaker 2:No it's definitely not, but with the home being disarrayed like it was, it looks like whoever committed these murders had made a vain attempt to stage the home to look like a robbery, which we see that all the time in true crime and they never do it well, like we need to teach a class and fake, fake robbery or something I mean if you're going to pretend there's a robbery to try to cover your tracks, you should probably I don't know rob something, not saying that you should actually do that, right, but it's just like the common sense of that to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, this is where this next part's gonna be a little tough. Joni was found lying face down on the bed, having been shot a total of five times, three in the head and then two in her arm, which was likely to, like you know, cover her, and then she was also additionally stabbed seven times as well. Oh man, yeah. Now Joni's youngest child was only six weeks old.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:His name was Marshall and he was lying under a pillow by his mother and he had been shot in the back. The middle child was only two and her name was Lindsay. She was found at the foot of her mother's bed and had also been shot in the back. The eldest child, who was four-year-old marquise, was also found on the bed and he'd been shot on the right side of his head, as well as a tip of one of his little fingers had actually been bitten down to the bone. Oh my gosh. And police speculated that this was likely because he attempted to like, try and fight off whoever the attacker was with his hands like clawing at their face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the attacker bit their finger to get him to stop that is sad but that's like very courageous of a little four year old, I know, and it just breaks my heart.
Speaker 2:So 70 year old Ernstein was found in the hallway with two shots to the face. That is the mother of Joni and the grandmother, obviously, of the children. She actually still had her pistol in her hand that she was presumably going to use to confront the intruder, but obviously they got their shots off first, so she never even had the ability or the chance to shoot her pistol in self-defense. The police tended to focus on Ernstine as, like the target of this attack and then, like the rest of her family they assume was like you know, because they were in the home. They thought this because in her area in Bakersfield she was a pretty prominent civil rights activist and of course with anything like that you tend to end up with enemies. You tend to end up with enemies.
Speaker 2:So they started to look into her possible enemies and nothing really panned out. I mean, of course she had people that didn't like her, but there was nothing that reached the level of, you know, murdering her and her entire family. So they kind of pivoted right. They're going to now look at Joni's husband, which you'd ask me if she's married. She was to Vincent brothers but they had recently separated and when they started looking into Vincent, the police pretty quickly into it, kind of hit a wall because he had a solid alibi He'd been in Ohio visiting his brother Melvin during the time of the murders. There were credit card charges and cell phone records corroborating this, so you know he seems pretty rock solid. However, nine months later he was arrested and charged with the five counts of first-degree murder of his wife, mother-in-law and three children.
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Speaker 2:I do know that he met Joni around the mid 90s it varied on the exact years, but in my research, but it was always in that mid-90s area and at the time that they met, vincent was a substitute teacher, kind of from the jump. Their relationship was like, rocky and tumultuous, but like it does sometimes, joanie ends up pregnant with their son, marquise, and she gives birth to him in 1998. However, vincent is not present at all during this birth, though I could not figure out where he was, like that was unclear, but he definitely wasn't at the hospital with his wife giving birth to their son. I do know that he was previously married twice and had a daughter with a previous woman again a bit murky on details on whether this was with one of the women he was married to or a completely different woman, but he had been married twice and he does have one daughter. So do we know how the daughter is? At the time that Marquise was born, she was probably like in her teenage years, because by the time he's arrested she's an adult. Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So two years later, in 2000, vincent and joni married, which did not seem to last long, because a month later they were separated. Oh wow, yes, but they didn't divorce. They actually ended up having a daughter just a year later. Her name was lindsey, we talked about and well, I say they had a daughter. Joni again was at the hospital, solo giving birth to their daughter. Vincent was mia and again unclear where he may have been. Despite the two children, the issues in the marriage continued and in 2001, they annulled their marriage. They didn't get a divorce, they annulled it.
Speaker 1:I'm still murky on how long it can be before you annul your marriage, but that seems like a while yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's like it was a year of them being married Well oh OK. Because they had their son in 98, but they weren't married yet.
Speaker 1:I was thinking in 98 they weren't married. Yet I was thinking in 98 they were married.
Speaker 2:OK, so yeah, what was weird about the annulment was they actually both cited different reasons for this annulment. They were agree, like they agreed, on getting the annulment. So then you have to agree to do that. But Vincent claimed irreconcilable differences, while Joni cited fraud, as she claims that she did not know of his two previous marriages when she married Vincent herself.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, again, though it's unclear if she knew about the daughter, but she definitely didn't know. He was married twice, or she claims to not have known, okay, so how long did they know each other before, like, she got pregnant? Like not long at all.
Speaker 2:No, because they met in the mid-90s.
Speaker 1:again the timeline but yeah, okay, so you didn't know. Okay, it varied, but like a year or two, maybe you should kind of know him a little more than that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, there's always. You know everybody's not truthful. So right, and even from when they met to when they had their first son, it was already rocky, yeah, and so I don't think communication was a great thing in their relationships. So, despite the annulment, that two actually continued an on again and off again relationship. Don't know why you're gonna get an old if you're gonna do that, but not my business. During that time vincent moved up in his career and he ended up as the vice principal at the fremont school where he had been a substitute. So okay.
Speaker 1:So he went to college, or I'm assuming. I mean because he was like, or did he have his degree when he was substituting?
Speaker 2:I could not figure out anything before he mentioned okay okay I just know he went from substitute to I was gonna say that seems like a huge job yeah like now, there was what happened.
Speaker 1:There was probably stuff that happened, but it's like in between, like maybe he was a teacher, but I couldn't find anything with that time yeah, it was just like I was thinking to you, that's a pretty big jump.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were talking about. When he met her he was a substitute and then, when the murders happened, by that time he had been a vice principal for a bit.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So in 2002, joni found out that she was pregnant again and she and Vincent remarried in January of 2003. Four months later, in May, their third child, marshall, was born, and even though just a month prior Vincent had moved out of the family home as another separation, this was the first birth of their three children he actually attended. Wow yeah, for a little while after their son, son Marshall, was born, things seemed to be okay, but again they're not living together. On July 2nd of 2003, vincent left to go to Ohio to visit his family and four days later after church, the family of five would be viciously killed.
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Speaker 1:Okay, his family was right there, so I'm assuming he didn't take his offspring for this family visit so-called family visit.
Speaker 2:No, he went to Ohio, but that was out of state. They're in Bakersfield, california, and he went all the way to Ohio. So I mean, this is a man who didn't even show up for their birth, that is true. So why would you take your kids to see your family? Right, and they're two, and four and six weeks old.
Speaker 1:You're right, he's. He does not want to deal with that no, he's not doing that.
Speaker 2:So let's now go back to like the investigation that led to vincent being arrested, because we talked about him having a really solid alibi. So how did we get from rock solid alibi to arrest and conviction? First, the police decided, for whatever reason, that they were very suspicious of Vincent, and they decided to go looking into the places that showed up on Vincent's credit card in Ohio, specifically the Walmart. When they checked the security footage, they were quite shocked at what they discovered?
Speaker 1:okay, but can I just say how many people that are murderers go to walmart like how many times do you think we have passed a murderer in walmart? Probably a lot, yes, but they're always visiting walmart, I will tell you that on this security footage footage it wasn't vincent.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, he, despite his terrible attempt at a staging a robbery he was kind of clever in this and he had his brother, melvin, who had gone to ohio to visit, use his credit card at walmart. When he was confronted with the footage, melvin, his brother, had confessed to police that Vincent told him not only when to go shopping at Walmart but also what to buy while he was at Walmart. He also claimed he didn't see Vincent between July 5th and July 8th. So in that window of time is the murder or murders.
Speaker 2:Though the police had obliterated Vincent's seemingly rock solid alibi, what they did not have was any evidence that he was the one who brutally shot his wife, kids and mother-in-law. In fact, they didn't even have proof that he was in California. His brother may have used his credit card, but I mean, I've used your card to go shopping, right, so that doesn't really mean anything. It's sketchy that he didn't tell the police about it, but that doesn't mean he was in california killing people well, honestly, that's not even something you well, I wouldn't think about it because it wouldn't even matter to me.
Speaker 1:Like, okay, yeah, I used your credit card for this or that, or you use mine, but I don't know if that would even like register in my mind like, oh, I better tell them this especially if you're grief stricken by the death of your wife and three children and mother-in-law but I don't think, vincent, we get grief stricken and we'll find out.
Speaker 2:So the investigators decided to attempt to reconstruct Vincent's trip from July 2nd. When he landed in Ohio they found that he had rented a Dodge Neon and he had added 5,400 miles to it. That's a long break. That is a loft. This gave quite a bit of credibility that it was possible that he did drive to California and back, but of course that's circumstantial. He could have also driven a lot of other places.
Speaker 2:They managed to get the rental car from the company for evidentiary purposes and this car would be like their smoking gun and they probably didn't know it at the time. They were hoping for a little bit of evidence evidence but it would end up providing a lot. It would break this case wide open. In the rental car they found something small but extremely significant to proving Vincent was responsible for this horrendous crime. When the rental cars air filter and radiator were sent to UC Davis to be analyzed, particularly by the forensic entomology department, there were two insects that were able to prove that Vincent drove his rental car. Somewhere in Southern California there was a type of wasp and a grasshopper that only exist on the west of the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow. Yeah, I was gonna say I don't even think I would have taken that out or thought to like have that examined, but that's why I'm not an investigator or forensic pathologist or anything else.
Speaker 2:I just imagine. I think if I was a police officer and I found this out, I'd be like vincent. We got three witnesses here, okay, uh, wasp, there's a street name. No wasp and grasshopper, two wasps and a grasshopper uh, it's pretty, pretty solid evidence.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I mean, I definitely would be checking the mileage, but I don't think I would be thinking to check filters and what kind of bugs were in them or anything like that I know it's absolutely insane, but with his entomological evidence, among other evidence, like his extramarital affairs, which doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2:They were very tumultuous, constantly getting divorced, separated, on again, off again, type thing. One hundred and thirty seven witness testimonies.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I would not want to beat the jury there.
Speaker 2:And probably and that's not including two bugs Right.
Speaker 1:Somebody probably spoke. That is a lot of witnesses, I feel like as a judge. You're like okay, we do not need this many witnesses.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to like, like not all of them had to be like imperative to the case, right?
Speaker 1:I mean, like when I'm doing hearings, I'm like are all these people gonna witness to the same thing? Okay, I don't need to hear. I'm even like thinking like five times, but not 137 times. Yeah, I want to know thoughts.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't want to know what they all said because I don't have that much time in my life to listen to it but like you have to go through swearing 137 witnesses in and then the question and answer.
Speaker 1:Imagine being in the like deliberating, and you've got 137 witness tests but you've also lost the jury's interest at like after 10 in here in the same testament like that is way that, that's insane.
Speaker 2:And then his history to also try to reduce his child support payments were brought up as well. I'm sure that one of those 137 witnesses brought that up. I will say that his defense did put up a good fight. They claimed the affairs did not make him a murderer, which is true, but it doesn't help his case, as it does give him kind of motive to kill her.
Speaker 1:Um, but I don't know. I mean, people have affairs all the time and they don't kill their whole family that is true and I mean I don't.
Speaker 2:I agree that it doesn't make him a murderer, but it and it definitely didn't help his case. I do think a little bit of that was pretty prejudicial to bring up. But I don't know if there was something in those affairs Like if he had told one of those women he wants to kill his wife. Now they're bringing her up. And if they're bringing her up they got to tell her connection.
Speaker 1:So you know I mean, but you I mean you got to tell her connection. So you know I mean, but you, I mean you got to think he had two other wives and another child, which I guess this I mean not a child anymore, because you said she was an adult by then. So he's really thinking of child support, I'm assuming, and how much it's taking of his paycheck.
Speaker 2:Right, and he just had another one that he's now going to be on the look for. They also fall back on the cell phone records that put his cell phone in Ohio, but we know that doesn't mean he was in Ohio, because the credit card statements look great until they realize that he wasn't the one using them. They also made a claim that Vincent was in a minor traffic accident with a kid who was on a bike and that that kid hit Vincent's rental car.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Now, this accident did take place, but it actually took place between a kid and a whole nother person. Oh, ok, yeah, that other person was one of those 137 witnesses that came into court to testify. Oh, wow, oh, wow, okay. I guess they were hoping that they wouldn't find that guy, but they did. They then point out that, out of the hundreds of gas stations and mini-marts between ohio and california, that none had video evidence of vincent being there. What I could not find was if anyone actually checked that many gas stations, many marts or other places, because that's insane but you did say this was 2003, right?
Speaker 1:yes, so that wasn't as prevalent then.
Speaker 2:Like it wasn't everywhere, like it is now, though right, I was gonna say there's still a lot of gas stations and stuff you can go to that don't have any type of security, right? But in 2003,.
Speaker 1:I don't think it was as prevalent as it is now. Like you know, people are watching you everywhere you go now.
Speaker 2:But still, my thing is, even now, if you drove from Ohio to California, there's more than one route Right, and to check every possible gas station and mini-art video footage is absurd, so you know. That just really felt to me like that would be like searching for a needle in a haystack. But I get that his defense needed to throw that up to try to be like well, you can't prove that he was, but they can but you hit a kid, I mean no, that wasn't him.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that wasn't Okay.
Speaker 2:No, he was trying to say that that accident that happened Because it happened in Ohio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe I should be more clear Okay. So that wasn't him? Okay, no, but he was trying to claim it was him, oh, okay. No, I misunderstood that. Then Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so no, he was saying that there was an accident between him and a kid on a bike in Ohio and that this kid ran into him in ohio.
Speaker 1:But this accident did happen, though. It did happen, but not with vincent. How? How does he know? This is weird, though that would like freak me out as a juror, like how do you know about this accident, though?
Speaker 2:well, his lawyers are putting this up as a defense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this could have been you know, I mean well, back then we had newspapers that talked about everything.
Speaker 2:So okay, and then the prosecution found the actual guy who had been driving, whose car was hit by that kid on the bike. He came in and testified and was like no, that was me. So that blew up in vincent's face or his defense's face both face, yeah. Um. They also make a point that the murder weapon was never found, which of course is always helpful in a murder trial. But between ohio and california there's lots of places to dispose of it. I mean, we've talked about the fact already that there's hundreds of gas stations and mini marts right. There's also hundreds of cornfields and lakes and mountains and ravines, whatever. For him to dispose of the murder weapon and finding it would be very difficult.
Speaker 2:Melvin, who, if you remember, is Vincent's brother who had used the credit card, took the stand in defense of his brother. He was, you know, claiming that he didn't know where Vincent was on July 5th through the July 8th, like he had told the police only because he didn't actually see Vincent. Vincent was riding July 5th through the July 8th, like he had told the police only because he didn't actually see Vincent. Vincent was riding around with their other brother, troy, and so he didn't see him and he didn't know exactly where they were. And that's what he meant when he said he didn't see him and he didn't know where he was during that time. It wasn't that he thought he had gone to California to murder his whole family. He just couldn't give specific locations.
Speaker 1:I get that. Yeah, that's her sibling. You're going to bend the rules, or?
Speaker 2:whatever. Now. The defense attempted to subpoena Troy, the brother that Vincent was supposedly driving around with, but oddly enough he went underground real quick, mia, and it actually resulted in a $100,000 arrest warrant being issued for him.
Speaker 1:Okay, he's got some crazy siblings, but they are definitely on his side.
Speaker 2:Those are some ride-or-die siblings.
Speaker 1:They are. That's what everybody wants.
Speaker 2:Now, on May 15th of 2007, the jury would come back with a guilty verdict on all five charges of first degree murder and on September 27th was the sentencing hearing where he was sentenced to death. Now, as you know, during the sentencing hearing, family members can make statements and we've talked about this a little bit that he had a daughter before he had ever met Joni, His only now living child, because he killed the other three. She actually spoke against him at the hearing, so he may have had ride-or-die siblings, but his daughter was not ride-or-die.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't sound like he would want to be when your dad's killing off your siblings and stuff so she basically said in her statement that she was disowning not only her dad but the entire brother's family because his siblings are right or die. Yeah, I can't say I disagree. Yeah, she said, quote I'm leaving my name with him. I don't have a father now, he's just a man handcuffed to a chair looking straight ahead. He will never see me again until it's time to die. End quote. Vincent showed zero immersion during that whole sentencing hearing, even when his daughter was up there saying that she would be there for his execution but that would be the last time or the only other time she would see him. But I mean, I guess for a man who's already killed three of his own, losing that last child didn't really seem to phase him right.
Speaker 1:But also as his daughter, I might be a little scared because of how his brothers are. Like, do I really want to cross him? Like, are his brothers coming after me?
Speaker 2:but kudos to her, because I wouldn't want him as a father either, or want his name yeah, and it could be very possible, because there's not a lot of information about her having a relationship with him and she may not have had much of a relationship with his extended family, his brothers and stuff, so she may not be real worried about them coming after her because they may not know really where she's at?
Speaker 1:probably not from the sounds of the relationship he had with joni, like he wasn't like just an outstanding father.
Speaker 2:He wasn't showing up for the birth, no, he's probably not worried about no where, where his daughter was right and so his brothers probably don't know. But yeah, she showed zero fear. Plus one was already arrested with, already has an arrest warrant, so if he's coming after her, he's likely to get arrested and melvin seemed very wishy-washy, like he would say one thing and then they'd come back and be like oh well, what about this?
Speaker 1:I'm like oh yeah, well about that um, so, um well, I mean, maybe you don't know what to do because, like what if your brother gets off and then comes after you for, like, not defending him, like you're like I gotta. You know, I don't want to defend him totally because I don't want to be thrown under the bus, but like, if he gets off, like I gotta do something because we know he's capable of murder.
Speaker 2:That's very true, but that is all for this week. That was the murder of the Harper family. I thought it was really interesting how it was solved that it really was two bugs that just cracked it open and I was able to put this man behind bars. For what is that? Five murders? I was trying to figure out how you say that.
Speaker 2:I don't know, and I got quadruple I don't know Five murders. I was trying to figure out how you say that I don't know. And I got quadruple. I don't know what comes after that Quadruple plus one murder.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but anyway I could just be like this case really bugs me.
Speaker 2:And we're ending on that. Y'all have a great week.
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